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Podcast Episode #122: Small Scale Hemp Farming with Len Mackey


Podcast Episode #122: Small Scale Hemp Farming with Len Mackey Len Mackay of Shima Hill Hemp Farm, Canton NY

Mon, 10/5 12:58PM • 46:54


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Jenn Procacci, Len Mackey




Jenn Procacci 00:10
Welcome to CBD faculty. I am your host, Jennifer Procacci Thanks for listening immediately. I’ve bought a terrific visitor with me right here immediately. Len Mackey. He’s the farmer at Shima Hill farm. And we will be speaking all about his expertise as a primary time hemp farmer. However earlier than we get began with that, I simply need to let you understand that if you happen to suppose the CBD faculty podcast sounds nice, thank the blokes on the bass sound creations. Whether or not you are occupied with stepping into podcasting, or you have already got a present, I extremely advocate getting in contact with them. They will enable you with sound modifying and mixing, publishing, even distribution, promotion, branding, content material evaluation, tech assist, and mainly each different manufacturing facet you can think about, they will actually take your present to a complete new degree of high quality and visibility. You possibly can electronic mail them at data on the bass sound.com ensuring to make use of the coupon code my podcast now to get a free 30 minute session. For extra info, go to the bass sound.com and begin podcasting the fitting means now. All proper, I’ve bought lead Mackie right here with me immediately. He’s a extremely motivated, adaptable and non secular particular person who has been rising the sacred hashish in small secret gardens from the age of 15. They will be turning 40 on the twentieth Yup, he is a Scorpio. Len at present runs Shima Hill hemp farm outdoors of Canton, New York, and gives historic Earth expertise courses, little tracker homeschool programming and wellness programs at native universities and on the farm. These embody packages akin to feral human outside health, yoga, corrective train and Private Coaching in judo, and West African drum and dance. In earlier incarnations, he was knowledgeable marriage ceremony photographer, unique dancer, ballroom, trainer, Reiki practitioner, and trendy dance accompanist. Both he’s a renaissance man or he simply has a DD. He is undecided which a northern New York native, he grew up getting stung by honeybees and the household backyard and enjoying within the woods searching, fishing, trapping and speaking with the Earth Spirits. As an artist. He has been the recipient of artwork begin and decentralization grants supplied by New York State by the St. Lawrence County Arts Council for six years now, providing music efficiency and cultural schooling. He’s the founding father of the YouTube channel historic Earth expertise lead Mackey, and track of the spheres integrated multimedia firm specializing in schooling

and leisure for youngsters of all ages. Discover him on Instagram at historic Earth expertise. All proper, lead Are you right here with us immediately?

Len Mackey 03:06
I am right here in a single kind or one other?

Jenn Procacci 03:09
Nice, thanks a lot for taking the time to hitch me. And as we get began immediately, I simply wished to ask you to share with our listeners, what’s your private relationship to hashish?

Len Mackey 03:20
Properly, I have been interacting with that lovely plant since I used to be a teen, utilizing it for leisure functions to calm down, to hope to provide choices within the morning. And first began rising it after I was simply allowed there about 15 and, you understand, at all times had a grand adventures, sneaking out to my little gardens and attempting to go away Not a hint or a monitor. So it has been fairly an journey going from that sort of relationship to the one I’m in now which is authorized farm right here in New York, rising hemp, CBD and CBG hemp. So it has been completely the best pleasure, no full of blood, sweat and tears, after all, however a lot of pleasure, working by this course of and really with the ability to develop the fantastic plant out within the open area with the irrigation and all of the fertilizer and love that I might presumably put upon her. So it has been an exquisite dance with this plant. And you understand, it is helped me in so some ways. I can not even actually matter them. So yeah, I’ve a whole lot of gratitude for hashish. That’s for positive. Great. Thank

Jenn Procacci 04:39
you for sharing that I do as properly. So we undoubtedly have that in widespread. So that you talked about that you have cultivated hashish earlier than. However how did you get began with hemp farming? Is that this one thing you thought you’d ever do? 

Len Mackey 04:52
It is sort of fascinating, really. I used to be dwelling in an intentional neighborhood referred to as birdsfoot Farm not removed from right here. Simply in all probability half mile down the highway, the place I met an exquisite fellow named Phil Hosking, who’s the person who owns the land right here. And as my farming companion, and Phil has been cultivating medicinal hashish for various years in California, and, you understand, had sufficient success to have the ability to purchase the farm right here. So it is sort of like a prayer answered really, as a result of the earlier landowner, I have been searching right here and doing fowl habitat initiatives sponsored by Audubon Society and stuff to develop the land for various species. And the earlier landowner was really planning to log the forest. And I did not have the cash to purchase the land. So I used to be like, please, you understand, no matter you are referred to as, cease this, no matter, simply make it. So this does not happen. And so it wasn’t a couple of months after that, that fell on the shopping for the land. And he knew that I had been gardening for some time, and we had a superb relationship whereas he was visiting there with a girlfriend of his. So we instantly developed an exquisite rapport, after which couple years go by, and he is like, hey, Len, you need to develop some hemp? I am like, Properly, let me give it some thought. And actually, you understand, I did not have to consider it that lengthy. As a result of it was extra like a dream coming true than something, as a result of I might at all times wished that it was completely authorized for me to domesticate hashish. And now it’s right here in New York. So I’m actually blessed. Oh, that is

Jenn Procacci 06:38

an exquisite and heartwarming story you shared with us simply there. Thanks. So it feels like you may have a fairly robust connection to the land that you just work on. And the way does that connection that you’ve with the land inform your farming practices.  

Len Mackey 06:53

undoubtedly, in each means that I can attempt to be a caretaker of the land, the soil. This yr, we experimented with a wide range of strategies of no until farming, in addition to some tail and canopy cropping for College of Vermont experiment that surveyed totally different cowl crop strategies. So you understand, mainly attempting to make as little affect as doable. And truly, you understand, over time, if there is a approach to discover methods to enhance the soil, to enhance the native forest, with a little bit tracker program, we planted in all probability over 500, black walnut seeds up to now, instructing the children about main, secondary and tertiary instructions, like okay, let’s Chuck walnuts to the east, to the south, to the west, to the north, you understand, so looking for enjoyable methods to complement the land right here for future generations within the hemp area and within the surrounding surroundings, you understand, fowl habitat, and, you understand, a lot of nuts for the squirrels and for the people as properly, hopefully, sooner or later. In order that’s sort of what actually motivates me extra than simply loving farming and watching issues develop and tending to the soil and seeing the fruits of our labors in a direct means. However hoping to, you understand, cross one thing good on to the following one’s arising.

Jenn Procacci 08:25
Yeah, that is actually fantastic. It feels like stewarding the land and in addition involving the neighborhood. We’re undoubtedly targets of yours with this undertaking. Did you may have some other targets that you just hopefully realized, or maybe did not? Properly, I

Len Mackey 08:38
guess, you understand, a lot of little targets and massive targets and simply beginning the farm right here from scratch. And first, okay, I bought to construct a greenhouse, bought some recycled components, okay, how can I put this collectively. So it is like a sooner or later at a time dealing with the little challenges, like blow ups within the irrigation on a scorching day when the hose was not working and fixing it with a chunk of an previous didgeridoo, you understand, discovering these challenges alongside the way in which are enjoyable and good to navigate. However I am hoping in the end that by all this, that we are able to really make a really profitable farm right here. And you understand, I’ve a great deal of pupil debt from my research and Rochester Institute of Expertise, learning images. So if I might get rid of that, Oh, properly, that may simply be wonderful. And actually, I suppose, dwelling life with the intent to create drugs and issues that feed the folks in various manners, you understand, a wide range of methods, from simply meals and the fiber and in addition issues to get rid of their ache or assist them sleep or, you understand, regulate their feelings or no matter it could be. That makes me actually comfortable. And in order that means, you understand, when it is my time to feed the backyard, I can die comfortable man, I suppose. That is fantastic.

Jenn Procacci 10:09
So was this the primary farming undertaking that you just took on by your self? It sounds such as you did some farming earlier than on the intentional neighborhood maybe. And you understand, it sounds such as you’ve had your hashish secret gardens on the market. However is that this your first type of bigger scale solo farming undertaking?

Len Mackey 10:25
Yeah, that is my first full on industrial farming endeavor. So it is like undoubtedly upscale the whole lot. And, you understand, rising up, we had a backyard and I had strawberries and beans. And, you understand, we at all times hunted for meals. And so I’ve at all times had an actual shut connection to that, and did some gardening at birdsfoot farm. And, you understand, it is had little private gardens alongside the way in which. And so, you understand, with the whole lot that is happening on this planet, now, I used to be very a lot comfortable to right away develop into a full time farmer. And spend a whole lot of time right here outdoors and, you understand, alongside the hemp group, a lot of squash and pumpkins, and would have had a little bit of corn, however the raccoon ate all that. So, you understand, attempting to lift some geese and a few chickens and a bunch of scorching peppers and potatoes and different good things. So, you understand, at this level in my life, simply my coronary heart tells me this, my thoughts tells me this makes essentially the most sense, a minimum of for me personally to, you understand, farm and study as a lot as I can alongside the way in which.

Jenn Procacci 11:40
That is proper. I believe us farmers are fairly fortunate proper now with the state of the world, to be out right here on the land, with the ability to present, you understand, meals for ourselves and hopefully for our communities as properly. I am a farmer. Additionally, I’ve a licensed hashish farm right here in California referred to as wild land hashish. And I am sustainable as I presumably could be. I attempt to incorporate regenerative strategies into my farming practices. So I might like to ask you some questions on your farming strategies. You talked about some companion planting and a few cowl cropping and that you just had some poultry otherwise you rising your hemp within the floor. And what sort of irrigation are you utilizing? Would you simply discuss a little bit bit about your farming strategies for us?

Len Mackey 12:25
Certain, yeah, we did a wide range of totally different planting strategies. This yr, we did three rows of row detailed with a wide range of cowl crops, mainly learning the consequences of, you understand, utilizing haylage, black plastic clover or nothing in any respect by an experiment we did with College of Vermont. In order that was fairly fascinating. And we have been accumulating information and we’ll be persevering with to try this by the ultimate product. So we did that we additionally did a bunch of no until the place we mainly dug holes on the bottom and added a pleasant mixture of vitamins after which simply flip the sod over and use that to assist hold the grass again. We did some totally different companion planting strategies. We planted a superb row of buckwheat and helps to herald issues that may hold the aphids down or draw the aphids away from the hemp and really ended up actually serving to us out when the Romans got here in and began girdling the vegetation and attacking the faucet roots, tree gum and cayenne pepper was a serious deterrent after which on the time to the shrews got here into the backyard because the buckwheat additionally got here into its full fruit, which drew the voles and different issues away from the hemp. In order that was very, very useful. And within the area there we mowed however, you understand, mainly disturbed as little as doable and there is, you understand, naturally occurring golden rod and vetch and cleavers, you understand, or bedstraw, and different grasses and issues which are diversifying the world. So I believe that actually helped hold the pests down. We had just about no pestilence except for the mice, which occurred instantly after they hate the sector. They moved proper in. In order that appeared to essentially regulate the aphids, as a result of our associates have a farm not removed from right here. And so they inform the whole lot and so they had a severe aphid drawback final yr, however we hardly noticed a single one. So I believe having that variety and, you understand, disturbing the soil as little as doable was actually a boon for us alongside the buckwheat. We additionally experimented with planting totally different mints in with among the CBG to presumably encourage the terpene manufacturing of the vegetation and we will play extra with that I believe sooner or later. So yeah, we’ve a bunch of various issues we’re enjoying with right here totally different experiments. So it is at all times enjoyable to see, you understand what occurs?

Jenn Procacci 15:08
Yeah, that is tremendous cool. I develop mint in my hashish backyard additionally with the identical hope of accelerating terpene manufacturing, and I develop another companion vegetation for that goal as properly. Yarrow is certainly one of them, sage, I develop some beebalm. And I can aishah in there too. And I jury’s out, I believe on whether or not or not it is elevated my terpene manufacturing, however it seems lovely. And the helpful bugs find it irresistible, you understand, the bees are all around the males and the beebalm within the akinesia. And it simply provides to the sort of like excessive vibe of the entire backyard, for my part. In order that’s superior that you just’re doing that good for you. You talked about a number of totally different sorts of experiments you probably did with various kinds of cowl cropping and type of like tilling versus not tilling, was there one mixture of people who appeared to work the perfect?

Len Mackey 15:59
Properly, you understand, it is fascinating, so far as ease fluidity, and you understand, the ergonomics of placing within the vegetation and digging the holes and making ready the sector, undoubtedly having the Rose rototill made that course of quite a bit quicker and simpler. And people plans did do rather well. We mainly put black plastic on one portion, one other portion was seeded with clover, one other portion was lined with haylage, you understand, composted hay. After which the ultimate part was simply left to the open air. And truly a complete lot of chenopodium or lambsquarters ended up shifting in there. From one of many experimental rows with the buckwheat, I believe we’ve a bunch of migrants. So these vegetation did fairly properly. And one factor I did discover had been within the rows the place the world the place it was not lined with something, the vegetation appear to develop much more vertically, and so they had been taller and skinnier than the opposite ones, which was fascinating. You recognize, it was such a dry yr, I do not know if that was a mirrored image of the taproot going deeper and straighter versus having the duvet of the opposite stuff to maintain within the moisture. I am undecided, precisely. However that was fairly noticeable. I have never calculated the ultimate weights and measures have bucked flower and trim flower but. In order that would be the closing sort of inform story for that experiment. And, you understand, the largest vegetation that we had, had been really in a piece of the backyard the place we did no until. However they occur to be within the space the place the hillside drained. And a whole lot of the vitamins I believe, settled on this one row. And in order that soil was significantly wealthy. And I imply, these vegetation simply did wonderful. And that was mainly simply digging about an 18 inch gap, a foot and a half down and placing in, you understand, our hen poop and bone char and micro riser and different good things. And, you understand, having a drip line irrigation system that was run off of a pump that got here out of the Little River, it is a small river that runs by the land right here, made it very easy and simply saved us as a result of we had the driest yr right here, I believe on report in some instances. And so having the drip irrigation was very, very, I imply, simply important to the bounty of the backyard this yr. Yeah, we use the gold pump, a xylem pump that work simply implausible and might be used for a bigger space than what we ended up cultivating, which wasn’t in all probability extra way more than an acre. We put in about 470 some vegetation and after we misplaced perhaps three dozen to the rodents, after which another you understand, facet harm. And we had some teeny tiny cherry wines. One thing to do with these genetics, we had about 40 vegetation out of 100 and a few seed that was planted simply be like these little bonds eyes, and so they had been so cute, however they did not get very large. So yeah, that was humorous. So we planted them in with the buckwheat. And that was sort of like our tribute to the cherry wine and to the hashish and to the earth. You recognize, a little bit providing and thanksgiving gratitude. Undoubtedly. That is a giant a part of it too. You recognize, with each seed planted and each transplanting and each planting and simply little choices of gratitude and herbs and prayers of Thanksgiving. You recognize, I believe it sweetens the medication that rather more.

Jenn Procacci 19:43
Yeah, completely. And I do know after we had spoke earlier about making ready for this interview immediately, you talked about that there was this non secular element of what you do is essential to you. So would you communicate to that for our listeners? Yeah, I

Len Mackey 19:57
guess. It simply makes me really feel good. To say thanks. And, you understand, I’m very a lot a believer, I really feel very deeply in my coronary heart that vegetation are simply as aware as animals are. And, you understand, they may talk on totally different frequencies, electromagnetic frequencies that perhaps we do not detect as a lot with our mind, however extra with the receptors in our coronary heart and our intestine, you understand, these neurons are sort of like, an antenna for these indicators. And so I really feel very a lot that vegetation and animals, you understand, any dwelling factor within the water or the air, all of it has, you understand, that frequency and so feels superb to me to simply acknowledge all these forces and I really feel very a lot that the the vegetation actually reply to it had an indoor a small indoor backyard as soon as in a small facet room on this condominium I used to be renting, and I’d sit in there with them, and I’d play the didgeridoo and simply ship them you understand, loving power. And Reiki simply sort of mentioned that intent and I swear to God, they might go from like, this relaxed state, after which they might simply slowly go, woo. And they might simply arise. And I do not know if I used to be simply hallucinating it however or if it was simply all the surplus co2 from my breath. However yeah, I can not assist however discover, you understand, how vegetation reply to,

Jenn Procacci 21:34
you understand, our intent? Completely. And I’ve to say, I do not suppose you might be in all probability hallucinating it in any respect. I believe that there is completely a non secular connection between folks and vegetation and animals. All of us coexist right here on this realm collectively, we’re all undoubtedly working on totally different frequencies, such as you talked about, however all of our existences intersect with one another. And we’re all dependent upon one another, in some ways, the connection between vegetation which are cultivated by people, and the those that domesticate them. And the historical past behind that’s completely fascinating. So even simply by farming, any plant, I believe you are engaged in a deeper non secular relationship with that plant, in all probability past our consciousness past what we are able to even perceive as folks, you understand, the plant creates a relationship with us, it desires us to develop it, it desires us to assist it survive to assist it evolve. After which the plant helps us evolve additionally, particularly hashish. I imply, it is some of the tangible vegetation in that regard, the place we are able to actually bodily really feel the change and the shift after we ingest it. Have you ever ingested any of the hemp that you have grown this yr? Have you ever smoked any of it?

Len Mackey 22:49
Sure, I have been having fun with it. It is my first expertise with CBG flour. And I additionally develop my very own tobacco, some abenaki and Mohawk strains and acquire maulin and incorporate Sage into totally different smoking blends, you understand, for medicinal mixtures. And I’m an enormous fan of the CBG as a result of it actually, I wish to be awake and shifting and grooving and doing stuff. And you understand, till I am like able to fade into my pillow, you understand, I need that sort of stimulation. And in order that has simply been wonderful the CBG means. I’ve actually been mixing that in quite a bit additionally with common THC strains and the CBD is the lifters been fairly scrumptious and the S r1 have not sampled the cherry wine but. It is nonetheless being barked. And that’s very nice. When I’m able to calm down and you understand relaxation or sleep. There is a native professor who brings me eggs, he has chickens that he raises natural eggs from. So I have been giving him among the CBD flour. And you understand, talked about to him about how he might extract it in coconut oil or ghee or butter after which put it into some sort of tea. You recognize, and I requested him, you understand, do you need to be awake or do you need to like hang around on the sofa? He is like, Oh, yeah, I undoubtedly need to hang around on the sofa. And yeah, he is such a beautiful fella, however he does take pleasure in his rest time. So he mentioned he and his spouse made some tea with it and he mentioned, Ah, we simply slept like infants land. He mentioned I used to be nice. So I am having a superb expertise with the flowers and people are as properly. Once we had been speaking earlier I discussed my pal Madison and her household rising hemp at grass river hemp outdoors of Canton right here. They do the native farmers markets and so they produce some fantastic oils like a maple taste Oil, oh my god, it is like a little bit dropper of desert, it is so good. After which only a common taste, after which additionally some bombs. And they also’ve been handing them out on the farmers markets, and a few folks will stroll by and be like, Oh, you understand, it is, it is the pot folks or this or that, and, you understand, they don’t seem to be positive what to suppose. And a few folks might be like, Oh, you understand, what is that this, you understand, and sort of proach it, you understand, cautiously and so there’s this one lady who had Fibromyalgia has had it for various years. And, you understand, not one of the pharmaceutical meds are working for her. And so, you understand, she had heard about CBD, however, you understand, wasn’t actually positive as a result of it was associated to hashish and marijuana. And people sorts of stigmas had been enjoying behind her thoughts. And so she did not need to pattern the precise CBD oil, as a result of she was afraid it might have an effect on her capability to drive, although it is not intoxicating, you understand, she wasn’t conscious of that. And so she did put some bomb although, on her shoulders in her arms, and, you understand, simply walked across the market. And so after about quarter-hour, she got here again to Madison’s sales space. And she or he’s like, Oh, my God, I really feel such aid. I can not even let you know. She’s like, I have to get some tinctures. So she purchased a few the tinctures and one other factor of the balm and introduced them residence and began dosing them. And the following day, she left quarter-hour, voicemail on Madison’s telephone, you understand, apologizing for being so lengthy, however you understand that she had all these items to say. And so she was saying how she, you understand, had tried the the oil. And she or he really for the primary time and years, she discovered some aid and really was dropped at the purpose of tears and the message. And now she’s like, please, you understand, inform everybody, you understand my story. And I hope that it may assist much more folks and she or he’s simply thanking Madison a lot. And so I am discovering a whole lot of profit. And the folks in the neighborhood that are not even accustomed to it at the moment are simply discovering it and discovering like very direct and speedy outcomes. You recognize, I’ve associates who give small quantities of CBD to their youngsters, and that helps them to be extra emotionally balanced and be extra targeted. And so I really feel very looking forward to you understand, hemp and imagine a lot within the energy of this plant as drugs. I imply, to not point out, just like the meals and clothes and shelter. And you understand, I imply, you’ll be able to really make hearth by friction with it. Such an unimaginable plan. And you understand, we have lived with it for thus lengthy that, you understand, as you are saying it desires us to assist it and it desires to assist us and I am actually seeing a whole lot of profit from the CBD and CBG flowers personally and

Jenn Procacci 28:04
throughout. That is such an attractive story you may have about that neighborhood member together with her fibromyalgia. And a query that I had for you was about your neighborhood and hemp farming and the way these issues had intersected and interacted with each other. There’s a lot stigma nonetheless surrounding hashish and hemp, that are the identical factor. All all through the nation. And in locations like California, the place I develop hashish, it is in methods extra accepted, though there may be nonetheless undoubtedly stigma, however you are on the east coast. Completely, you understand, totally different tradition and surroundings. Was there any unfavourable response out of your neighborhood in the direction of your hemp farm or your pals have farmer different hemp farms within the space are folks like shocked to see weed vegetation being thrown out within the open, perhaps positively shocked perhaps negatively? Perhaps a little bit scared

Len Mackey 29:00
or issues principally they’re like, wow, that is lovely. You recognize, undoubtedly get the total gamut, the total spectrum reactions like my mother was on the hairdresser’s telling a lady who does her hair that I you understand, bought a license with my pal to develop, you understand, authorized hemp in New York and she or he was like, Oh, properly, who’s he grown up with? And it is unlawful and rummer you understand, simply began firing one million questions, you understand, and my mother was like, man, I nearly want I hadn’t even instructed her. So, you understand, you may have these sorts of reactions the place persons are like, properly, what are they doing is you understand, it is bought to be unlawful or it is bought to be dangerous or you understand, due to these sort of unconscious seeds which were planted. However then you understand, my associates at Little River ham, they’ve a farm on the opposite facet of Canton, on one of many sort of most important highways there. And my buddy Joe who There, he is the primary farmer. It is really on his land. He mentioned, there’s at all times folks driving up and like stopping and like pulling over and simply wanting on the area or they’re going to drive up and decelerate and like peek out or they’re going to drive by and honk, you understand. So you’ll be able to you’ll be able to sense the joy, and maybe a level of apprehension, but additionally like nice entry. As a result of I believe someplace deep down it doesn’t matter what somebody’s thoughts is telling them, like another sensor of their physique is like, Oh, that is one thing superb. And it positive is gorgeous.

Jenn Procacci 30:41
Completely. tremendous lovely. Have you ever Are any of your different have farmer associates had any issues with theft?

Len Mackey 30:48
You recognize, really, Joe’s like, yeah, I am simply ready to get up within the morning and see like a giant chunk gone. However happily, that by no means occurred. We over right here by no means had anyone residence and mess with the vegetation. We’ve had a trespasser on the land, a man who likes to wander throughout folks’s property along with his 4 wheeler, however he did not mess with the backyard. I believe he has his personal secret backyard anyway. So he is in all probability simply attempting to put low at this level. So we did not have any hassle. And there is one other farm out off of Route 37. And I do not actually know them. I have never met them simply but. I’ve simply heard totally different tales and stuff. However happily, I have never heard a lot about theft. You recognize, I believe some folks like may additionally suppose, Oh, it is hemp? Why would we steal that? You recognize, proper? As a result of we are able to get excessive off it or I imply, who is aware of? Which is okay with me, you understand? So, you understand, happily, we have not had any and actually, like, we solely had one leaf on one plant of the cherry wine nibbled by the deer. And she or he took a little bit chunk out of the tip of 1 leaf after which determined to eat the lambs quarters proper subsequent to it as an alternative.

So, you understand,

Jenn Procacci 32:04
yeah, I am simply imagining myself as a highschool pupil and my associates sneaking into the hemp area to snip some bugs. However I am glad that hasn’t occurred in any noticeable capability. Do you guys have a fence? Like, what are your life? Your necessities from the state? I suppose is what I am actually asking right here. As a result of, you understand, I develop hashish out right here in California, you develop hemp in New York, prefer it’s the identical plant spoiler alert for everyone on the market. It simply has totally different ranges of sure compounds, similar factor. However you understand, we’ve to have every kind of loopy safety necessities, cameras and fences and stuff like that, regardless that had been means out in the midst of completely nowhere. So is there something like that, that it’s important to adjust to? And do you may have inspections? Like What’s your relationship like with the state of New York when it comes to your hemp operation?

Len Mackey 33:00
So far as like fencing and safety and stuff goes? We have not Not that I am conscious of. I imply, ours is an open area, my buddy’s deal with over him, there’s an open area, we do have to supply, you understand, after we apply for a license, we’ve to you understand, have like coordinates of the place the backyard might be after which the place will probably be processed and dried and saved. So we’ve to have all that stuff sort of laid out for the state. And we had a really pleasant fellow Chris from Ag and markets COMM And he got here and checked out the sector earlier than there was something in it, however the wild grasses and cleavers and the golden rod. After which he got here again within the spring after I might put up the greenhouse and began the seeds. After which he got here again in a while after we had planted and you understand, was intrigued by the companion planting and stuff we had been doing so he had a one other native farmer out additionally her first yr rising and Ruby botanicals there in Vermont beneath the Adirondacks, the lightful hardworking spirited girl, and she or he got here out with a pleasant and so they checked out the farm. So I’ve had a really, very pleasant relationship up to now with the state. And we have needed to make some amendments to our license software. Simply issues bought modified round and stuff. However all in all, it has been fairly constructive. They did not come out and really examine or take a look at our flower this yr that we did that on our personal, however it’s fairly relaxed so far as like safety. You recognize, we do not have to have a fence or cameras or something that I am conscious of at this level. So, you understand, I do not know if that may change. If we when New York does legalize leisure hashish if we might presumably get a license for that. If there might be totally different necessities, and I do know that this yr the state simply modified all of the laws and made it a complete lot costlier and all that to develop CBD, Hashish, or CBD hemp, so issues are undoubtedly altering on a regular basis right here. Like we did not even know if New York was going to be in cost subsequent yr or if the feds had been till like a pair weeks in the past. So it has been sort of a rocky trip with that. However, you understand, simply attempting to make the whole lot work positively, as greatest we are able to. At this level, actually?

Jenn Procacci 35:36
Yeah, sounds such as you’re on the hashish curler coaster trip identical to everybody in the entire nation who’s cultivating hashish or have been any capability. It is like, issues are altering each 5 seconds. And also you simply must breathe and let go and be so grateful to your alternative to work with the plant as a result of in any other case you will simply drive your self loopy attempting to plan the following transfer. It is like, you actually simply must float, it appears at this level,

Len Mackey 36:05
I’m going the move and we’ll by no means give up.

We’ll by no means hand over. Precisely proper.

Jenn Procacci 36:13
That is precisely proper. What do you see as the marketplace for your hemp flour this yr? Are you going to attempt to promote it as smokeable flour or you understand tincture or bombs combo? What are you considering for that?

Len Mackey 36:27
I am at this level in New York. See, it is sort of bizarre, I do not totally perceive the laws round it. As a result of I do know some farms like there is a farm downstate that is ready to promote hemp flour tea on the farmers market. However then there’s additionally some sort of factor the place we’re not imagined to promote the smokeable flour within the States. So if we are able to promote it as tea, then maybe it may be marketed in that means. However then after I go to the native smoke store, they’ve hemp flour in there, you understand they’ve an oz., and so they have 1 / 4 ounce and all that stuff. So it is actually like actually complicated for me at this level so far as like what we’re allowed to do and what we’re not allowed to do or how we’re allowed to current it. So my plan is at this level, as a result of you understand, the hemp flour is there within the retailer, I might wish to go and begin regionally on the native well being meals retailer providing it additionally Phil has some connections with some beautiful folks which may be all in favour of CBD or CBD and urgent that into oil. We have additionally talked about that, although, at this level, you understand, being the very first yr sort of wanting extra merely simply so far as like, what can we do with simply the flour at this level? You recognize, and the way marketable is that. After which if that’s not as marketable as we want, then we might change it into a unique kind, just like the tinctures and bombs and stuff like our associates are. So at this level, we’re going primarily for smoke flower out of state gross sales, or in state t. In order that’s mainly what we had in thoughts at this level. And we really did have our first pound sale yesterday.

Jenn Procacci 38:15

Len Mackey 38:17
Oh, that is implausible. Yeah. Oh, I used to be so comfortable. You recognize. So I imply, at this level has been just about volunteer work, however it’s a labor of affection. So what can we do? Completely.

Jenn Procacci 38:29
Congratulations in your first sale on 1111. That is fairly cosmic.

Len Mackey 38:35
Oh, yeah. Yeah, good timing.

Jenn Procacci 38:37
Proper. I hope that bodes properly for the remainder of your gross sales.

Len Mackey 38:41

Jenn Procacci 38:42
So it looks like we’re shifting in the direction of the tip of our time right here collectively immediately. So I simply wished to provide the alternative to lift any subjects that you just want to that we have not lined but, or share something with our podcast listeners that we have not shared but.

Len Mackey 38:57
I suppose, you understand, it doesn’t matter what occurs, simply carry on going. All these challenges that we face, on this planet rising this explicit plant. And past that, it has been mentioned that, you understand, we’ve no management over the fruits of our labors. However all we’ve is our labors. And so I suppose if we are able to simply do what we love, then we’re placing out that sort of power into the world. And so it doesn’t matter what occurs makes even a small distinction. You recognize, each pebble dropped within the pond creates a ripple that, you understand, as you had been saying earlier than, all issues are linked and the whole lot feels so no, I’d simply say to folks comply with your coronary heart and won’t lead you astray.

Jenn Procacci 39:41
That is lovely and and it is so true. I completely agree with you there. And I do know that you just do a whole lot of different actions outdoors of your hemp farming. So would you share your different expertise with our listeners and inform them how they will get in contact with you or discover out extra concerning the different stuff that you just do?

Len Mackey 39:57
Certain, yeah. infatuate with indigenous data from all cultures all around the world, and so, you understand, I have been learning intensively survival and historic dwelling expertise for the previous variety of years, after which fishing and searching and all that good things since I used to be a child. So we’ve a little bit tracker, homeschool program right here, and we do totally different expertise, I’ve a YouTube channel, had been simply getting on the market. Now. There’s some edible medicinal plant research on there. Some movies on the right way to make hearth by friction. Within the winter time or after rains, you understand how to forestall hypothermia and people sorts of issues. So yeah, I attempt to share that stuff and retains me linked to this place that I dwell in. And so if you happen to’re in search of extra, you understand, with reference to these sorts of expertise, you’ll be able to go on YouTube, it is historic Earth expertise, sprint Len Mackey. Or you could find me on Instagram at historic Earth expertise. And I might like to share all these items with everyone bought to maintain it alive, and cross it on to the following ones arising. And yeah, additionally, you understand, undoubtedly if you happen to’re all in favour of any of our fantastic hemp, you’ll be able to attain out to us at Shima, Hill [email protected] Me and my brother Phil might be very grateful for all of the assist in these endeavors. And I simply need to thanks, too, a lot, Jen for this excellent alternative. I simply really feel so blessed to satisfy somebody on this planet who’s doing such good issues as you might be and you understand, so I simply really feel fairly honored to be part of it and simply need to say thanks so very a lot.

Jenn Procacci 41:42
Thanks to Glenn. It has been so uplifting and delightful to talk with you this morning. It is so necessary for us to stay linked throughout this very irritating and isolating time that we’re all going by. So thanks for sharing your positivity and your data and simply your entire nice insights with me and with our listeners on the market for spreading this love that you’ve for the hashish plant and the hemp plant. They’re the identical plant. Thanks for thanks for sharing that pleasure with us all. And would you simply do me a favor and spell Shima hill so that everybody is aware of how they will get in contact with you?

Len Mackey 42:18
Oh positive. Shima Hill is s h i m a capsule h i ll Shima Hill hem. Gmail.

Jenn Procacci 42:28
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